Small, Selfish Things or, Gandhi asks?
Sometimes folks wonder why the focus of people who read my books or watch the movie The Secret is on things like attracting a new car or feeling happier. Some regard those as "small, selfish things."
Truth is, so many people are unhappy, unhealthy, and just plain broke that using the Law of Attraction to get a car, or a house, or a job, or happiness, is simply the most noble thing they can do at this time. It's also exactly what they should do.
It's not selfish; it's actually a step toward self-actualization.
I also know that at a certain point you set your sights higher. After you've manifested a car or two, or more money, or a better relationship, you start expanding your desires. There are already numerous people in the world doing just that: using the Law of Attraction to cure cancer, AIDS, poverty, and more.
Oprah is a good example. She openly admits to using The Secret and is doing historic work in third world countries.
Larry King is another, with his cardiac foundation.
George Foreman is still another, with his youth centers.
Many of the teachers in The Secret have huge causes, too.
Jack Canfield wants to transform politics.
Lisa Nichols is going to Africa to help people there.
I'm working on erasing homelessness and poverty, both of which I've experienced.
I'm also helping people (with the help of Scott York) build their business as well as their body with www.yourbusinessbody.com
Then there are the people you've never heard of, who are using the Law of Attraction to make a huge difference, such as the woman I wrote about a few weeks ago, who is raising money to help women with cancer get beauty treatments so they feel better about themselves.
And there's the female comedian who is raising audiotaped greetings and applause for troops overseas so they feel loved.
The list goes on.
Since the cultural mindset with the bigger problems is one of victim, those issues may not be healed overnight. But rest assured, there are wonderful people working on those problems, and using ideas in The Secret and The Attractor Factor to get the job done.
But here's what's more important:
Instead of wondering what everyone else is doing, ask what you are doing.
How are you helping the world?
What causes are you creating or supporting?
How are you contributing to the betterment of the planet?
As Gandhi said, "Be the change you want to see in the world."
Are you?
Ao Akua
Joe
www.mrfire.com
PS -- If you need help in getting clear on your desires for yourself and/or the planet, consider Miracles Coaching. Go see.
Truth is, so many people are unhappy, unhealthy, and just plain broke that using the Law of Attraction to get a car, or a house, or a job, or happiness, is simply the most noble thing they can do at this time. It's also exactly what they should do.
It's not selfish; it's actually a step toward self-actualization.
I also know that at a certain point you set your sights higher. After you've manifested a car or two, or more money, or a better relationship, you start expanding your desires. There are already numerous people in the world doing just that: using the Law of Attraction to cure cancer, AIDS, poverty, and more.
Oprah is a good example. She openly admits to using The Secret and is doing historic work in third world countries.
Larry King is another, with his cardiac foundation.
George Foreman is still another, with his youth centers.
Many of the teachers in The Secret have huge causes, too.
Jack Canfield wants to transform politics.
Lisa Nichols is going to Africa to help people there.
I'm working on erasing homelessness and poverty, both of which I've experienced.
I'm also helping people (with the help of Scott York) build their business as well as their body with www.yourbusinessbody.com
Then there are the people you've never heard of, who are using the Law of Attraction to make a huge difference, such as the woman I wrote about a few weeks ago, who is raising money to help women with cancer get beauty treatments so they feel better about themselves.
And there's the female comedian who is raising audiotaped greetings and applause for troops overseas so they feel loved.
The list goes on.
Since the cultural mindset with the bigger problems is one of victim, those issues may not be healed overnight. But rest assured, there are wonderful people working on those problems, and using ideas in The Secret and The Attractor Factor to get the job done.
But here's what's more important:
Instead of wondering what everyone else is doing, ask what you are doing.
How are you helping the world?
What causes are you creating or supporting?
How are you contributing to the betterment of the planet?
As Gandhi said, "Be the change you want to see in the world."
Are you?
Ao Akua
Joe
www.mrfire.com
PS -- If you need help in getting clear on your desires for yourself and/or the planet, consider Miracles Coaching. Go see.
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posted by Joe Vitale | 11:25 AM
36 Comments:
As Michael Beckwith says:
"Who cares who's in the White House? Who's in YOUR house?"
And my personal favorite:
"Success is something you attract by the person you become."
Great stuff, Joe.
First of all, let me say that I am surprised and delighted they my little comment inspired a whole new post and (hopefully) discussion.
“Truth is, so many people are unhappy, unhealthy, and just plain broke that using the Law of Attraction to get a car, or a house, or a job, or happiness, is simply the most noble thing they can do at this time. It's also exactly what they should do.
It's not selfish; it's actually a step toward self-actualization.”
No, it isn’t the noblest thing they could be doing. They could be volunteering somewhere – that would be greatly more noble and doesn’t cost anything but time(just like the secret). And yes it is selfish. How is it not? Doing something for yourself is selfish. I’m selfish, everyone is selfish. I’m not blaming or criticizing anyone, but you are wrong in stating that manifesting (or buying) a new car, house, pair of shoes – whatever, is not selfish.
“There are already numerous people in the world doing just that: using the Law of Attraction to cure cancer, AIDS, poverty, and more.”
They might be using it, but they obviously are not succeeding. Last time I checked, cancer, AIDS and poverty are all still pretty abundant. All it takes is for one enlightened soul to put out to the universe ”I want a cure for cancer to materialize in front of me right now.” And it should happen according to what I’ve heard in the DVD. Time and size are meaningless to the universe.
“Oprah is a good example. She openly admits to using The Secret and is doing historic work in third world countries.
Larry King is another, with his cardiac foundation.
George Foreman is still another, with his youth centers.
..."
I’m not sure Larry King actually uses the secret, although you might know better than I, and I know for sure George Foreman doesn’t(according to your blog), so you can’t really use him as an example to be fair. But yes, I’m sure they’re all doing great things... but I’m also just as sure they would be doing great things with or without the secret.
“But here's what's more important:
Instead of wondering what everyone else is doing, ask what you are doing.
How are you helping the world?
What causes are you creating or supporting?
How are you contributing to the betterment of the planet?
As Gandhi said, "Be the change you want to see in the world."
Are you?”
I’d like to think that I am, although by no means do my good deeds stand up to the likes of Oprah or Ghandi. But I’m not the one who has unlimited power (sure, as a regular guy, I can accomplish plenty, but I couldn’t, say, manifest myself to be immortal and spend the rest of eternity using the secret to heal every wrong in the universe). I don’t know how far your belief personally goes Joe, maybe you don’t think that even with the secret one could teleport, or time travel or bend reality on a whim. But there are some people who do... maybe they haven’t thought it out all the way, but some people believe that they can ask for literally anything they wish.
I’ve tried it many times, and if it works, it doesn’t work for me. So I leave it up to you people, do something incredible (how many people here can honestly tell me that they wouldn’t like to fly only by the power of their will at least once? and if you would not, please tell me why) Videotape it. Put it on youtube. Send me the link. But don’t jump off any buildings.
Maybe the majority of people ‘aren’t there yet’ or whatever. But there has to be at least one guy, right? Or else how would you know that all this is possible?
--Kevin (using a different gmail account this time)
Kevin, you conveniently overlooked the message of the post. You might want to reread it.
And what I keep saying is you get what you expect: you don't expect success on the dramtic levels you describe, so you don't get it.
You're actually proving what I and others teach.
It's obvious to everyone reading these comments where your head is, so you you can't really expect the results you wish for (as you don't really believe in them).
That proves the LOA, not disproves it.
And there are cures for cancer already out there. Same for poverty. (Read a few books on the subjects.)
Again, as I said in my post, not everyone believes this is even possible, so they are blind to what's there, so the culture has a mindset to change.
You can help by joining the light crusaders.
Goodness, my friend, take another look.
joe
I'll reread your post Joe and see if I missed anything (or you could tell me the message - try to educate me - instead of just pointing out I'm wrong). In the meantime I'd appreciate if you reread my post and at least attempt to answer some of the questions and ideas that I brought forth. I'm not trying to be glib or sarcastic, I really want answers.
You make a few assumptions about me(and the readers of this blog) and they aren't all correct.
Also please explain how my story about how the the secret does not work for me somehow proves that it does work in completely unrelated cases. I never suggested that my personal experiences disprove the law of attraction - only that it has not worked for me, personally.
Yes, some forms of cancer are curable, and there are treatments for all, and obviously poverty is not an incurable disease. But, again, you seemed to have missed the point. You could instantly and completely eliminate these two things, as well as AIDS and other diseases that don't have cures. Not just slowly develop treatments for some.
You could use this power for so much more, and you don't. Why don't you want to fly Joe?
Lastly, what are the Light Crusaders?
I have a full time job, thank you, so I'm not about to spend it answering point by point comments here. Whatever I say will be dismissed by you, as has been already evident. As for flying, good lord, man, can't you think of something more noble and wonderful than that? And if so, why don't YOU go do it? Remember Gandhi's quote. All the best to you.
Aaron, I LOVE that Beckwith quote, too.
Thank you for the warm comments.
Joe
Joe, I've said this before, the secret won't work for me. I can't fly.
My questions were honest and well intentioned, I figured as a teacher and promoter of the secret you would be willing to share a little time to educate me. I was obviously wrong, and I apologize for taking up your time.
I suppose I'll google the Light Crusaders to see who they are.
I still appreciate and look forward to what anybody else has to say on this subject.
Dear Joe!
It is interesting to see what is stirred up when somebode does something for himself. Envy. Lots of. All the negativity aiming at 'the secret' is only so strong because the movie is a ( financial ) success. That pushes buttons.
Being a musician, I had my share of poverty conciousness / victim mentality. And it took me decades to realize that I was creating the circumstances that made me suffer.
Now I'm proving, that it is possible to do whatever I want. I created my own recording studio, my own label and do my own marketing and I even was in Guitar Player Magazine.. And whenever I feel stuck, I ask Peter Blue (me) what's wrong. And results keep coming. But in the process, one has constantly to encounter the own negativity and sabotage programs we have studied for so long. And change them.
How I'm helping the world? I'm contributing my music, music that makes people Feel Good, reminds them of their dreams, re - ignites a spark of hope and trust.
And although I'm living a good life now, but I expect it to become better and fuller day by day. This includes new cars, a bigger house and a bigger studio. And everything else I desire.
Peter
Kevin, that's my whole point: you're getting *exactly* what you expect.
And why are you trying to fly and using that as evidence LOA doesn't work???
Go read the book "Why Walk on Water When You Can Take the Boat."
I get the impression you haven't read *any* of my books at all.
If you want personal coaching, I have a program at www.miraclescoaching.com
If you want consulting time with me, I have an hourly rate.
But asking me to work with you personally, here, when you haven't done any work on your own (that I can detect), is truly unfair.
Again, all the best to you.
joe
Joe -
As you know from my previous comments, I disagree with much of what is presented in The Secret / LOA. Not so much the principles, but rather, the implementation and marketing. My points of disagreement, however, are irrelevant to this discussion.
My sense is that if someone possesses the gift of knowledge, their responsibility is to share that gift. To strive to explain in a manner that others might understand. Merely waving one's hand and implying that a challenge can only come from one who lacks your own level of evolvement smacks of an attitude of condescension that does not serve any philosophy well, and actually encourages comparison to the old story of the emperor's new clothes.
Telling someone that they need to re-read what you have already written is not only dismissive, it is lazy. You pride yourself on your ability as a writer. A writer's primary responsibility is to clearly communicate ideas, particularly to readers who might not otherwise grasp the concepts being offered, not to blame the reader for failing to understand. Certainly, the reader must accept responsibility for learning, but the onus is upon the writer to make that learning as accessible as possible. In my opinion, by dismissing or failing to specifically address challenges, you abdicate that primary responsibility.
And frankly, your assumption that someone's failure to agree with your ideology - especially someone whom you don't know very well - indicates that they "haven't done any work on their own" is condescending in the extreme.
Please realize that a challenge does not represent an attack so much as an invitation to teach. It is your choice whether or not to accept that invitation. Your choice is clear testament to your objectives in sustaining this forum: Is it to encourage learning, to solicit approval, or to drive customers to your business endeavors?
Well, thanks for sharing, but it's obvious some the people asking questions here haven't read my teachings in my books, in my audio programs, or in my free blog posts, free articles, free videos, free podcasts, or much else.
Marketing guru Dan Kennedy refuses to answer a single email when the answers people want are right in his books. I thought that was harsh until I've seen the questions I get here or by email.
My teachings are in my works. I suggest people absorb them there.
I cannot possibly spend time here trying to explain again what has already been explained in my works, many of which are free.
I shouldn't have to explain even *that*.
Obviously, the more respectful thing is to at least go absorb my work FIRST.
Blessings,
Joe
I am deeply moved by the depth of Kevin's struggle. So I offer this.
Kevin... try contemplating (not just reading) the Gandhi quote... "BE the change you want to see in the World." Sit with the words without interpretation.
Notice it says *BE* not *DO*.
It's how you *BE* that makes all the difference. It's not about DOING the change in the World.
I also suggest you immerse yourself in the powerful teaching and practice of Ho'oponopono. As you do, you will experience that by *healing you*, you heal the World. Again - it relates to how you *BE*.
It is also a wonderful practice to contemplate *WHO* and *WHAT* you really are and *HOW* you are you and the whole World at the same time. You may come to realize that you are not separate from the World. You may deeply realize that by healing and bringing joy to your Spirit you are healing and bringing joy to the World.
The cures to Cancer and Extreme Poverty exist right now in the world. Today. But in order for them to BECOME MANIFEST it takes a critical mass of BEings (us) to realize this as a truth THAT IS. That mass hasn't yet been reached. The most wonderful gift you or anyone can offer to enable that, is to work on *raising your OWN* vibration.
You are not an entity alone here and as you raise your vibration, you will raise the vibration of all those around you and even of those you never encounter.
In other words... you will change the World.
Even if you doubt my words, I request that you challenge them not with more words but by going deep within YOUR Heart and raising your vibration and watch what miracles happen!
In Love and Peace,
Amy
As you know, I have read much of what you have written, and have been aware of your career for a number of years.
I have also known a number of people who have never read anything you or I have written, nor attended the classes we have taught, but whose manifested devotion to spiritual betterment - their own, and those whom they have touched - dwarfs anything either of us has done in our lives. Yet if they came to this blog and asked questions of you, would you dismiss those questions until they had read (and purchased) your books & workshops? And if they challenged you, would you tell them that the answers they seek have already been written, and will not be offered again in this forum? Was this the way your own teachers served you?
I would think that someone as excited about the potential offered in The Secret and LOA as you claim to be would be anxious to see the principles more fully understood and implemented, regardless of whether the seeker was a customer, a prospective customer, a "convert," or simply someone trying to understand a paradigm that is new to them.
Yes, my teachers sent me to their books.
And I willingly went, knowing how busy they were, and knowing asking them to help me was inconsiderate of their time.
Also, this is not a forum. This is my blog. I allow people to post here. Sometimes I reply. Mostly not.
I spend my time creating tools to help the masses, which are available to all.
Blessings,
joe
I feel very fortunate that when I needed a teacher, he accepted me, demanding no prerequisite save my own desire to learn. Perhaps the most powerful single lesson he offered me was his own respect for anyone who wished to improve themselves, untainted by his own ego's needs. He knew that the only way to earn another's genuine respect was to first show genuine respect for them.
I'm sure it also mattered that he had absolutely nothing he was trying to sell.
Joe,
It's seems The Secret isn't really a secret at all. And The Law of Attraction isn't really a "law" at all -- at least in terms og laws of physics.
It seems to me it's more about semantics than anything else. How we frame our worldview and perceptions, right?
For example, I could call the Law of Attraction, Strategic Planning 101, if I was pitching to a businessman who's mindset is one that thinks strategically, and understands and communicates about his world using business jargon.
Using terms like The Secret and The Law of Attraction feed to the wider psychological urges that are innate and premitive in all of us. Moreover, they tickle cogntive emotions and values all of possess and either are consciously aware of them or unconscious of them -- as many people are -- most in fact.
The Secret touches at the very core of a root value system we all possess. We are all intrigued about having or knowing a secret, and we all yearn to be attracted or attract something/somebody.
But what is it with this inner vibration that each of us radiates? Is ther scientific evidence that I can varify regarding this?
I'm think about taking The Secret un the microscope for a doctorial dissertation...would you be willing to be interviewed as a source?
Actually, Joe, blogs are forums for discussion. The research supports that, and I can pile enough of it into the back of my pickup truck and drive it your front door.
RevRon has an excellent point. Yes, my teachers sent me to books, but they also discussed those books and the information in them before, during and after I read them.
In fact, I'm reading on right now on agenda-setting and media relations. I checked it out of my university's library, but I've been e-mailing the author questions, and our conversation has been quite helpful. All that and I've never purchased his book, sat in one of his classes or even washed his car.
So why the defensive posture with the Rev and others?
Perhaps your author friend doesn't get 2,000 emails a day, has three books under contract to write, five others out or coming out to promote, or is travelling making speaking and media appearances around the clock -- on top of all the Internet marketing stuff, new products he writes and promotes, as well as a blog, podcast and video blog to keep up with -- all on top of having a family life?
Perhaps.
As for this being a "forum," all I have to do is turn off the comments button to show you it isn't.
Blessings,
joe
You have time to shop for cars & mansions, to post repeated reports about your own material success, to share your latest attempt at hob-knobbing with the rich and famous, yet no time to address honest questions about - and challenges to the veracity of - a subject that you claim to be the most important knowledge available to humanity?
Do you perhaps perceive an inherent fragility in your current product, and would prefer that it not be looked at that closely? Or do you harbor doubts as to your own ability to address the questions when the answers expected require more than a wave of the hand, followed by summary dismissal?
It's not my desire here to be confrontational, Joe, but when the subject is as significant as you claim your philosophy to be, I think it only fair that honest questions be met with honest answers.
Alternately, of course, you could just turn off the comments altogether, and allow only your own words on the subject to appear here, along with your entreaties to buy your products. It's your blog, and ultimately, your choice.
Time to shop for cars and mansions?
Ah, how much time do you think that took??
One car last October took a few minutes. There were no other cars.
A mansion rushed in between appointments took less than an hour -- wasn't bought -- and done once in 53 years.
Your assumption is that I'm not answering questions here, yet I've not only done so, but have created entire blog posts out of questions received.
All for free, at that.
This is the kind of no-win that causes me to stop right here. No matter what I say, you will re-interpret it and see a fault, rather than the gift.
Please be a wee bit more respectful.
Surely your teacher taught you that.
Blessings,
joe
Joe,
It seems like you're stretched too thin. Let me tell you The Secret to life/work balance.
The universe works in an ordered fashion. Everything has its time and every purpose has its moment. More importantly, we as -- dare I say, Gods, rules and lords -- of the universe must control its influence on use.
Seems to me you should tone back the attraction and settle for some relaxation -- time with your readers -- skeptical and supportive.
And, yes you can turn off the comments feature. But the blogshere will always be a gigantic forum regardless of you turning off the comments functionality here.
We'll just chat elsewhere in other communities you have little influence or control over.
As for the research on blogging, you can deny the research, but the simple fact of denying something affirms its existence. Otherwise, why would there be reason for denial?
I'd also like for you to answer my question about semantics. A marketing and communication professional myself (I focus on PR), my research suggests semantics are as important to selling and communicating as delivering the right message at the right time.
Tell be about your research in semantics and its influence on perception and how it relates to your hypnotic style of writing?
You can make a post out of this, or direct me to one already written. In either case, my interest in genuine.
And, yes, my teachers have taught me to be respectful. That respect, however, only extends so far. I was never taught tolerance, though. That's something different than respect. They also taught me to be hyper-sensitive and critical (as in always questioning, investigating and understanding why things work) -- that's all I'm doing here.
Engaging you, the guru.
Joe, I’m getting mixed messages here. I thought that you did not want to continue this discussion because you don’t have time. I didn’t realize that by merely asking a few questions that you would consider that to be disrespectful. Again, I’m sorry. How many times do I have to say it? I certainly would not take it that way, nor would anyone I associate with. It was an honest mistake. I did not mean to offend. My teachers have always encouraged my questions and discussions in the classroom and after class. Especially in college, I always felt as if they had time for me and that they would not consider my questions inappropriate. You can see how I might have assumed you would react similarly.
Although I am a little confused as to whether you would be further offended by a reply to your reply, I consider it rude to ignore someone. So I won’t ignore you until you make it clear that you do not want to discuss this further.
You asked me a question “And why are you trying to fly and using that as evidence LOA doesn't work???”
I’m trying to fly because I think that would be an incredible experience with practical applications in daily life.(no more taking the bus) I’m not using it as evidence that the LOA doesn’t work. Please don’t put words in my mouth. I’ll state it again: In my experience, the LOA has not worked for ME. I didn’t say that it doesn’t work as a general principle.
“Kevin, that's my whole point: you're getting *exactly* what you expect.”
I was under the impression that the law of attraction was just like gravity, that it would work every time like gravity with no exceptions and that like gravity, I would not have to ‘believe’ for it to work. If this is true how do I go about changing my belief? The only way that I can figure is to search for evidence. That’s what I’ve been doing.
“I get the impression you haven't read *any* of my books at all.”
I never claimed or even hinted otherwise. When I watched the secret, it didn’t tell me that I would need to read supplementary texts by Joe Vitale to understand it.
“But asking me to work with you personally, here, when you haven't done any work on your own (that I can detect), is truly unfair.”
I’m not asking you to work with me personally; I just posed a few questions. They were open to all, not just directed at you, and I thought that they were appropriate. I have done work and research on my own(your detector must be wrong), and even if I had not, I truly do not understand how asking a question could be considered unfair. If I demanded an answer, that would be unfair. If I constantly pestered you even after you had made it clear that you did not want to discuss, that would be unfair. But I didn’t do that. All I did was ask a few questions. What is unfair or inconsiderate about that?
“I cannot possibly spend time here trying to explain again what has already been explained in my works, many of which are free.”
You must have a very small idea of what is possible. By your belief, you are attracting my comments, the least you could do is take them seriously. If you are truly lacking for time, couldn’t you manifest some more free time? Also, you complain of not having enough time to answer a few questions, but you expect me to read your library of books? Even one of which would take much more time(and money) than how long it takes you to type up a blog response. I also very much doubt that all of my answers would be found in your books. Is there really a chapter explaining why you don’t want to fly or cure AIDS? Or why you used George Foreman as an example for the success of the secret when he clearly has never seen it?
You’re right, this is your blog, it’s completely your decision whether or not you even want to read these posts. And I’ve said before, I’m very grateful that you allow some negative comments to be published. You’ve approved every one of my posts even though I’m sure you didn’t want to. You have my thanks.
Revron and Mr. Spin: thanks for backing me up. You guys are my heroes.
Amy j: Thank you for your candid response. I think that I had the interpretation of that quote correct. Be what you want others to be like, treat those as you would like to be treated. Support the things that you believe are worthy and noble. I truly believe that I am doing all this.
I’ll do some research on Ho'oponopono.
“The cures to Cancer and Extreme Poverty exist right now in the world. Today. But in order for them to BECOME MANIFEST it takes a critical mass of BEings (us) to realize this as a truth THAT IS. That mass hasn't yet been reached. The most wonderful gift you or anyone can offer to enable that, is to work on *raising your OWN* vibration.”
This is my interpretation of your statement. Please correct me if I’m wrong. Whatever we ask for is sent out into the universe, but one person’s asking is too quiet for the universe to hear? But if a large group of people get together their voice will be louder and therefore the universe will hear, and respond? If this is true, why is it when people ask for things that they consider to be smaller(but aren’t actually, to the universe) they come true, but not when they ask for something they would consider big? Why can the universe hear and respond to one thing, but not the other?
“Even if you doubt my words, I request that you challenge them not with more words but by going deep within YOUR Heart and raising your vibration and watch what miracles happen!”
I have had heard the concept of vibration explained before, but I’m still not quite sure what it is exactly, and how do I raise my own?
Thanks for your replies.
Wow, that was a long one.
Whew!
I don't have time to read that little special report let alone reply in detail to it, but I sense this much: you ARE sincere.
I don't think I caught that before. I apologize.
I suggest you spend time reading some of the free literature on the subject (since you don't want to read my library of books). :)
And you might want to read the article at www.zerolimits.info
You also might consider coaching. There are plenty out there.
And I'll try to explain LOA one more time: you get what you un-consciously expect.
You don't expect to fly. Admit it. You'd LIKE to fly. But you don't truly believe you can. As a result, you are attracting what you BELIEVE; that you can't fly.
See?
Many people make this same mistake. They say LOA doesn't work because they wanted to date an actress and it didn't happen. In reality, they never wanted to and/or they never believed they could. Hence, they attracted exactly what they believed.
This is the area where many trip themselves up. They SAY they want something when they really don't, or don't believe they can have it, and then say use the experience to "prove" LOA doesn't work.
Actually, they proved it DID work.
Anyway, I just manifested the time to reply (so there) but I'm sure it will be viewed with tinted eyes by some. I'm hoping others will see the value of this.
Nevertheless, I love you.
And YOU, too.
(You know who I mean.)
Blessings.
joe :)
Joe, my teacher taught me many things, not the least of which was how to honestly respect others. He did so by example, and I have endeavored to follow that example. If you felt I was being disrespectful I apologize. My perspective is that I was merely pressing for logical answers to pertinent questions, and began pressing harder when I felt those answers were not forthcoming.
He also taught me not to blindly accept ideas merely because they were popular, but to press for deeper understanding. When one deflects criticism and begins dismissing or debasing critics, his or her ideas reasonably become suspect. Perhaps your feeling of being disrespected arose from that. I do not know.
My intent here is not to find fault, but rather to better understand your ideas and motivations, and the best way to learn more about those things is to question and even challenge the points offered. Perhaps others are similarly interested, and I am certain you would not want to discourage them from seeking the valuable knowledge you claim to possess.
As to the time factor, you are correct in assuming that I have no idea how much you have actually devoted to the activities I listed; I could only go by their relative frequency and predominance in your posts.
Know that I bear you no ill will, and accept - and return - your wish for blessings. Hopefully, we can move beyond an exchange that has grown unnecessarily defensive and move into a clear discussion of ideas and their merits, with no attacks intended or perceived.
Namaste
Well said.
Thank you.
:)
joe why are you called mr.fire? Also if the secret works so well then why does everyone I know who uses it not seem that well off, and does not seem 2 be getting anything out of the universe that you claim somehow conjures things for you magically. Thanks,
Sean
I accept your apology. I'm glad that we could at least end this amicably.
And to show you that we might not be all that different i have loved '24' since season one and just recently watched 16 blocks and i can see how it's one of your favorite movies. So much more complex then the trailer let on.
You are right, I currently do not believe that I can fly, but I also don't believe that I could manifest even the tiniest thing. I guess there is no hope for me if all this power hinges on personal belief.
I really don't know what you mean at the end of your post there.(my roommate who was reading over my shoulder at the time speculated that you might mean her?)
I also appreciate your new post about the LOA forums. Thanks Joe. (and i truly am happy for your weight loss. i know how much effort it takes at the age of 22 and it could only be harder for a man of 53)
If the conscious mind is limited in its ability to focus on more than a few things at a time...and your focus is on seeing the reasons why things do not work or why someone is not giving you the answers you want...is it possible that within the billions of bits of information that your conscious mind cannot see...is the exact answer that might satisfy you?
My self Journey has revealed that my unending questions about why something isnt a certain way...keeps me focused on exactly that...why something isnt a certain way !
...and when i began to shift ( not as easy as it may sound...and for some very easy ) my conscious focus about why the Law of Attraction works ( without all the questions or opposite focus ) i began to see how the LOA worked so well for me.
Like electricity...we still don't really know what it is...but through years of investigating it distinctions about how it works...we have one of the greatest gifts to humanity.
When you put your focus on how it can work for you...and you are sincere...the teacher will appear
My research has been in discovering those tiny little distinctions of LOA that can be used and passed on to others
I know that a heacy questioning usually has a heavy emotion with it...and until the emotion is cleared up...the questions will remain..forever.
That is why Joe says change your feeling...we both know how that has changed the questions we ask..and we are more open to the how
It is not like we haven't had the same type of questions or emotions...that is why we understand where you are at.
and at the same time is is a futile attempt to answer the questions from the place of doubt as opposed to willingness
Willingness is what is needed...willingness without doubt
Then you see miracles
Then you see the split between your worlds...and you have a choice
Make the choice
G'day
The cures to Cancer and Extreme Poverty exist right now in the world. Today. But in order for them to BECOME MANIFEST it takes a critical mass of BEings (us) to realize this as a truth THAT IS. That mass hasn't yet been reached. The most wonderful gift you or anyone can offer to enable that, is to work on *raising your OWN* vibration.”
This is my interpretation of your statement. Please correct me if I’m wrong. Whatever we ask for is sent out into the universe, but one person’s asking is too quiet for the universe to hear? But if a large group of people get together their voice will be louder and therefore the universe will hear, and respond? If this is true, why is it when people ask for things that they consider to be smaller(but aren’t actually, to the universe) they come true, but not when they ask for something they would consider big? Why can the universe hear and respond to one thing, but not the other?
Kevin, It's not that one 'request' is smaller or more quiet'. It's got to with ENERGY. Everything is energy. The LOA is based on vibrational energy. As more and more people "vibrate energetically" in alignment with a particular thought/possibility/truth - it gains POWER. The POWER to BECOME. And that BECOMING is seen as manifestation in the physical world.
“Even if you doubt my words, I request that you challenge them not with more words but by going deep within YOUR Heart and raising your vibration and watch what miracles happen!”
I have had heard the concept of vibration explained before, but I’m still not quite sure what it is exactly, and how do I raise my own?
Hope I explained vibration a bit above. How do you raise your own? By being JOYOUS! Joy is a high vibration, Gratitude is a high vibration and Love of all BEINGS is the highest vibration. Allow those feelings to deeply and frequently flow through every cell of your body and you will literally FEEL YOURSELF VIBRATE! You know how when you are passionate and excited about an idea you "buzz and vibrate" with energy and excitement? THAT is vibration!
So go and buzz and vibrate! BUT remember, negative emotions and thoughts vibrate too! Whatever vibration you are feeling you are sending out into the 'energy sea' around you. Negative attracts more negativity, positive attracts positivity.
The Law of Attraction is really the Law of Vibration. What you vibrate you attract. Then you focus your thoughts on a 'subset' (desire, image) within that vibration and you attract it to you. Like vibrations always move towards other vibrations like them. Always. It's a Law of Physics. Like the Law of Gravity. If you are getting negative results, look at your predominant thoughts and vibration. The law is working just fine, you are just attracting that which you are vibrating!
Kevin... begin to notice HOW YOU ARE FEELING as often as possible. As you work to have more positive feelings (love, gratitude, joy) you will automatically, by law, attract to you more of that same vibration. More of what makes you feel loving, grateful and joyous!
:)
Much Love,
Amy
"Kevin, It's not that one 'request' is smaller or more quiet'. It's got to with ENERGY. Everything is energy. The LOA is based on vibrational energy. As more and more people "vibrate energetically" in alignment with a particular thought/possibility/truth - it gains POWER. The POWER to BECOME. And that BECOMING is seen as manifestation in the physical world."
I'm sorry, I'm still not quite sure what you mean. I understand that everything is energy, but i'm not sure where the disagreement is between my analogy and what you have tried to explain to me here. The more people that vibrate the same energy, the louder it gets, right? or the more powerful. but it's the same premise, isn't it?
"Hope I explained vibration a bit above. How do you raise your own? By being JOYOUS! Joy is a high vibration, Gratitude is a high vibration and Love of all BEINGS is the highest vibration. Allow those feelings to deeply and frequently flow through every cell of your body and you will literally FEEL YOURSELF VIBRATE! You know how when you are passionate and excited about an idea you "buzz and vibrate" with energy and excitement? THAT is vibration!"
OK. I get this. It appears that I have been practicing this already. :)
And i just thought of something a few minutes ago. If the law of attraction states that you attract whatever you believe or expect, does this mean the the monsters i believed were in my closet as a child were actually real?(actually in my case it was aliens peeking in the window) A very disturbing thought. Parents, watch out for what your children are thinking.
-Kevin
and Joe
Nevertheless, I love you.
And YOU, too.
(You know who I mean.)"
I seriously have NO idea who you mean. This is going to drive me insane. Please tell me.
After reading the comments, I couldn't resist not commenting myself.
Being a 'recovering Catholic' (been there, done that, got the guilt trip) I refuse to feel 'bad' because I want to bring material items and financial stability into my life.
Recently, after taking a Millionaire Mind Workshop, I discovered that many of my financial issues stemmed from the 'brainwashing' I received as a child. I had always only taken so much and pushed away anymore than I thought I deserved. I felt that I wasn't deserving enough or worthy enough and I wasn't spiritual if I concentrated on money, etc.
This just created a huge host of issues for me that is reflected in my career, finances, relationships and other areas of my life.
I am slowly now working through these issues and becoming more aware of what I bring into my life.
It also has to deal with expectation. What do you expect to come into your life? And are you aligned with it?
I expect my hubby to leave a mess in the kitchen before he leaves for work. And he does.
If I expect him to be loving, joyful and helpful (and I believe it), then I've found that he is.
What's your expectation of yourself and the world around you? What's your perception of yourself and the world around you?
And, are you aligned with it?
The law of attraction isn't new. People have been writing about it for a very long time. I started reading about it 20 plus years ago with Shakti Gawain's book 'Creative Visualization'. The Secret came at a time when people needed something to help them to shift to a higher way of thinking and it did it in a way that spoke to the masses.
For me, after reading many books on the law of attraction, it has finally hit home.
My mother is fighting cancer for the second time around. They gave her a month, it's now been two months and she is progressing into health because we've implemented many things into her life, the law of attraction included.
Attitude is everything. I see it everyday with my mom, with my friend's grandmother who just turned 100 and is completely self-sufficient. This isn't luck, people, and we aren't puppets. We create our world everyday.
Muse said, "I felt that I wasn't deserving enough or worthy enough and I wasn't spiritual if I concentrated on money, etc."
Perhaps your feelings of unworthiness were actually reinforcing an obsession with material things (or the lack thereof). The spiritual path is one whose focus is upon alignment in thought and action with Universal Law, Divinity, or whatever one attributes to a power higher than that immediately accessible in our conscious awareness. Following that path brings what is actually needed into one's life, or more accurately, brings one's life into the contact with needed elements & experiences.
Placing one's focus upon acquiring material wealth is not an evil endeavor; merely a distraction from the path.
As I learned many years later, the vow of poverty I took as a novitiate was not an act of denying myself something I desired, but rather, an acknowledgment that at any given time, I had enough. Ironically, as I have let go of my hunger for affluence, I have achieved greater affluence. I am not wealthy to the extent that I have significantly more than I need, but I pretty much always have what I want, and a little more. To constantly feel a desire to acquire things I do not possess is a great definition of lack consciousness, and an effective distraction from one's spiritual growth, IMHO.
To reiterate, I seriously have NO idea who you mean.
Please Joe? Comment moderation is enabled so that means you're reading this right? I don't know how you could assume i know who you were talking about in your comment. It's driving me nuts. Just a name. A one word answer is all i need.
(btw i figured out the wheelchair is audio for people with vision problems. duh. guess i still pretty new to the whole blog thing.)
I meant the reader, whoever that might be.
Oh, ok. Thats a little disappointing.
Thanks though.
nice post. gandhi was inspired greatly by the gita. you can read about it at http://www.gitananda.org/about-gita/index.php
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